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		<title>By: Ashley Alfred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley Alfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should an Nri come back to India, if he or she is well settled &amp; living life comfortable abroad. I have seen many local indians migrate abroad with the intention of never coming back owing to the hard life here in India. Ya, nri can do some good for india staying abroad if the person wants to.  A good intentional help, no matter how big or meager is always considered a help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should an Nri come back to India, if he or she is well settled &amp; living life comfortable abroad. I have seen many local indians migrate abroad with the intention of never coming back owing to the hard life here in India. Ya, nri can do some good for india staying abroad if the person wants to.  A good intentional help, no matter how big or meager is always considered a help.</p>
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		<title>By: AB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come across these  purported US work ethics vs Indian work ethics statements umpteen times and now I am beginning to wonder if I have been living in some kind of time warp in the US. 

From what I see in the US, the work ethic of middle class Americans is extremely poor. They are mostly scatter-brained, they make the most embarrassing mistakes and always seem to be on leave for some reason or another when you need them. In India, if you really need something done, you can at least talk people into doing it for you. But in the US, its far worse. Nothing that does not fit into the (in actual terms) 2 hour workday   and 4.25 day workweek (in actual terms) gets done.

I once had someone send me an angry email 1 week after I sent an important query saying she had been extremely busy and had decided to answer only her phone calls the last week and leave the emails alone. WTF? What kind of a person cannot handle phone and email at the same time?

This is not a one off thing. I have noticed the &quot;workload fuse&quot; for most Americans is extremely low. I always gasp when I hear that middle class Americans are &quot;working on their email&quot;. I mean... I get through mine in less than 30 mins. Also there is a spate of post it notes, schedules, bulletins, bookmarks, etc.  on the table of the average worker. To my knowledge I have never written out a routine in my life nor maintained an appointment diary and I am known to be a fairly planning intensive person. I keep my appointment list in my mind... there is enough space there. I don&#039;t need to write it out on a sheet to feel busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come across these  purported US work ethics vs Indian work ethics statements umpteen times and now I am beginning to wonder if I have been living in some kind of time warp in the US. </p>
<p>From what I see in the US, the work ethic of middle class Americans is extremely poor. They are mostly scatter-brained, they make the most embarrassing mistakes and always seem to be on leave for some reason or another when you need them. In India, if you really need something done, you can at least talk people into doing it for you. But in the US, its far worse. Nothing that does not fit into the (in actual terms) 2 hour workday   and 4.25 day workweek (in actual terms) gets done.</p>
<p>I once had someone send me an angry email 1 week after I sent an important query saying she had been extremely busy and had decided to answer only her phone calls the last week and leave the emails alone. WTF? What kind of a person cannot handle phone and email at the same time?</p>
<p>This is not a one off thing. I have noticed the &#8220;workload fuse&#8221; for most Americans is extremely low. I always gasp when I hear that middle class Americans are &#8220;working on their email&#8221;. I mean&#8230; I get through mine in less than 30 mins. Also there is a spate of post it notes, schedules, bulletins, bookmarks, etc.  on the table of the average worker. To my knowledge I have never written out a routine in my life nor maintained an appointment diary and I am known to be a fairly planning intensive person. I keep my appointment list in my mind&#8230; there is enough space there. I don&#8217;t need to write it out on a sheet to feel busy.</p>
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		<title>By: Remembering a journey &#124; Silent Eloquence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remembering a journey &#124; Silent Eloquence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] be an Indian – my definition was, “I think I am an Indian, therefore I am an Indian” – to indignant replies to ignorant journalists “NRIs moving back to India is not the solution to India’s problems and let this not be the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Radhika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radhika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this discussion! Its really interesting. I am an NRI- I was born in Dubai and after 9th grade my entire famiyl moved to USA. My family is very close knit and I used to visit India every year.

After high school I told my parents I wanted to study in India. My decision was welcomed by them and I decided to join Sir J.J School of Architecture in Mumbai. From the time I tried to seek admission till the time I quit two years later- I had nothing but a plethora of problems. Firstly the entire system of &quot; reserved&quot; seats, reserved class and all that nonsense plagues our education system. I had to talk to &quot;this person&quot;, call that &quot; Mr XYZ&quot; and &quot;come back later- saheb is busy &quot; - Actually he is sipping on his mid day tea. ANyway, after a month long visit back and forth and refusing anyone any money, I got admission based on my grades. I stayed there for 2 years- lack of teachers, lack of good text books and a complete lack of any good discussion just made me frustrated. Our facilities and shop room were broken almost 70% of the time which wouldn&#039;t allow any student to produce any quality work. The attitude of other students towards me- I was always an outsider and my ideas or enthusiasm were always seen as &quot; crazy&quot; or &quot;ridiculous&quot;.

My older sister who started working at a telecom company in India was met with similar issues of promotions for younger candidates even though she went to an ivy league school in the United States, speaks 7 languages( 3 Indian, 4 international)..She clearly deserved more but her being a woman was an issue.
These are things that are very important and a big reason why a lot of people leave.

My sister and I both left India 6 years ago. I graduated with my Masters last year and landed a really nice job in the U.S.My sister is married, also has a kick ass job. I love India- but if asked to move back, I probably won&#039;t. EVen simple things like getting a drivers license means giving &quot;supari&quot; to someone to have the job done- to me thats a complete failure in basic infrastructure. It doesn&#039;t have to be that way and I see a TON of educated folks continuing to feed into this rotten system.

I truly hope things change soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this discussion! Its really interesting. I am an NRI- I was born in Dubai and after 9th grade my entire famiyl moved to USA. My family is very close knit and I used to visit India every year.</p>
<p>After high school I told my parents I wanted to study in India. My decision was welcomed by them and I decided to join Sir J.J School of Architecture in Mumbai. From the time I tried to seek admission till the time I quit two years later- I had nothing but a plethora of problems. Firstly the entire system of &#8221; reserved&#8221; seats, reserved class and all that nonsense plagues our education system. I had to talk to &#8220;this person&#8221;, call that &#8221; Mr XYZ&#8221; and &#8220;come back later- saheb is busy &#8221; &#8211; Actually he is sipping on his mid day tea. ANyway, after a month long visit back and forth and refusing anyone any money, I got admission based on my grades. I stayed there for 2 years- lack of teachers, lack of good text books and a complete lack of any good discussion just made me frustrated. Our facilities and shop room were broken almost 70% of the time which wouldn&#8217;t allow any student to produce any quality work. The attitude of other students towards me- I was always an outsider and my ideas or enthusiasm were always seen as &#8221; crazy&#8221; or &#8220;ridiculous&#8221;.</p>
<p>My older sister who started working at a telecom company in India was met with similar issues of promotions for younger candidates even though she went to an ivy league school in the United States, speaks 7 languages( 3 Indian, 4 international)..She clearly deserved more but her being a woman was an issue.<br />
These are things that are very important and a big reason why a lot of people leave.</p>
<p>My sister and I both left India 6 years ago. I graduated with my Masters last year and landed a really nice job in the U.S.My sister is married, also has a kick ass job. I love India- but if asked to move back, I probably won&#8217;t. EVen simple things like getting a drivers license means giving &#8220;supari&#8221; to someone to have the job done- to me thats a complete failure in basic infrastructure. It doesn&#8217;t have to be that way and I see a TON of educated folks continuing to feed into this rotten system.</p>
<p>I truly hope things change soon.</p>
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		<title>By: ram</title>
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		<dc:creator>ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how do you plan on turning beggars to business man , btw I am a NRI myself in USA and i have no intentions and interest to get back to India. Also i read some one commented that India sheltered and educated  . Its not India that educated me, it was my dad. he had to work his ass off to educate me .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do you plan on turning beggars to business man , btw I am a NRI myself in USA and i have no intentions and interest to get back to India. Also i read some one commented that India sheltered and educated  . Its not India that educated me, it was my dad. he had to work his ass off to educate me .</p>
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		<title>By: Kumar Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kumar Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For NRI&#039;s returning to India, there is a good oppertunity to clean up the age old crap.
Let&#039;s not compare India to USA. 

USA&#039;s work ethics/oppertunities are ages ahead of India. 
My entire education was in India. Creativity, Culture, leadership, etc, was not encouraged or talked about. It was, &#039;Just get your degree and get out&#039; attitude throughout. Yes, at work, you have to slog it out and later on find out that someone else got the promotion because of their caste, religion, etc. Very unfair. You see it all the time. Not so, in USA. You still are respected for what you are. Period. Hardwork pays.

Comparing USA with India will not get us anywhere. It will make us feel more miserable. We all know there is room for improvement in India, but we also know that it not going to happen soon.

In the last 10 years, things changed in India. I&#039;m seeing a lot of positive improvement. Some crap is in our blood (corruption, caste, religious differences, regional differences, etc) which will take few generations to get corrected.

But for NRIs like me, who intend to go back, there is a lot for us to give back to India. You can apply all the positive stuff you have learnt while being an NRI.

Yes. There are a lot of Frogs (or Crabs) in India. The trick is to not to become a Frog/Crab yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For NRI&#8217;s returning to India, there is a good oppertunity to clean up the age old crap.<br />
Let&#8217;s not compare India to USA. </p>
<p>USA&#8217;s work ethics/oppertunities are ages ahead of India.<br />
My entire education was in India. Creativity, Culture, leadership, etc, was not encouraged or talked about. It was, &#8216;Just get your degree and get out&#8217; attitude throughout. Yes, at work, you have to slog it out and later on find out that someone else got the promotion because of their caste, religion, etc. Very unfair. You see it all the time. Not so, in USA. You still are respected for what you are. Period. Hardwork pays.</p>
<p>Comparing USA with India will not get us anywhere. It will make us feel more miserable. We all know there is room for improvement in India, but we also know that it not going to happen soon.</p>
<p>In the last 10 years, things changed in India. I&#8217;m seeing a lot of positive improvement. Some crap is in our blood (corruption, caste, religious differences, regional differences, etc) which will take few generations to get corrected.</p>
<p>But for NRIs like me, who intend to go back, there is a lot for us to give back to India. You can apply all the positive stuff you have learnt while being an NRI.</p>
<p>Yes. There are a lot of Frogs (or Crabs) in India. The trick is to not to become a Frog/Crab yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Swati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recently moved to US with my husband.  I have had my entire education in India, worked there for 5 long years, two of them after marriage. I was one of those who was completely against coming to US, but things change.  
I can say from experience as soon as I got married, I became useless for my company.  They started believing that I can not be counted for deadlines or longer work.  I was not given a good grade, I was not recommended for promotion.  Guys who were youger than me got promoted just because they were staying late.

I have been working in US since last one year now and the opportunities I have got here, I know for sure I will never get in India.  These people have given me respect for the kind of person I am irrespective of my gender or marital status.  
Why should I go back to those who act like a frog pulling my leg because they could not achieve something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently moved to US with my husband.  I have had my entire education in India, worked there for 5 long years, two of them after marriage. I was one of those who was completely against coming to US, but things change.<br />
I can say from experience as soon as I got married, I became useless for my company.  They started believing that I can not be counted for deadlines or longer work.  I was not given a good grade, I was not recommended for promotion.  Guys who were youger than me got promoted just because they were staying late.</p>
<p>I have been working in US since last one year now and the opportunities I have got here, I know for sure I will never get in India.  These people have given me respect for the kind of person I am irrespective of my gender or marital status.<br />
Why should I go back to those who act like a frog pulling my leg because they could not achieve something.</p>
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		<title>By: Gopal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gopal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be NRI should be Now Returning Indians</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be NRI should be Now Returning Indians</p>
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		<title>By: Surya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chakli, I agree..My point was mainly to say that moving back to India and contributing to India&#039;s development are not mutually dependent. You can do one without the other, even though as you pointed out - it might make it easier to live in the environment. But then, working abroad may give me more disposable cash and other resources that could make a bigger impact..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chakli, I agree..My point was mainly to say that moving back to India and contributing to India&#8217;s development are not mutually dependent. You can do one without the other, even though as you pointed out &#8211; it might make it easier to live in the environment. But then, working abroad may give me more disposable cash and other resources that could make a bigger impact..</p>
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		<title>By: Chakli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chakli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! A lot of comments on this article. 
Surya, I agree with you that the Indian economy will not miraculously improve if NRIs move to India. However, I think it will help with the flow of new ideas. I am not saying that Indians residing in India don&#039;t have good ideas. It&#039;s just that when you live in a system where progress is slow to come, you start thinking of that as &#039;typical&#039;. The infusion of fresh blood into the system, more so of Indians who have had exposure to other governments and other cultures can help with the generation of fresh ideas and different ways of doing things than what we are used to in India. That&#039;s definitely something an NRI can contribute to India&#039;s development. But, does that mean he/she needs to move back to India? I don&#039;t think that&#039;s necessary, but it will probably help to live in the environment you are trying to improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! A lot of comments on this article.<br />
Surya, I agree with you that the Indian economy will not miraculously improve if NRIs move to India. However, I think it will help with the flow of new ideas. I am not saying that Indians residing in India don&#8217;t have good ideas. It&#8217;s just that when you live in a system where progress is slow to come, you start thinking of that as &#8216;typical&#8217;. The infusion of fresh blood into the system, more so of Indians who have had exposure to other governments and other cultures can help with the generation of fresh ideas and different ways of doing things than what we are used to in India. That&#8217;s definitely something an NRI can contribute to India&#8217;s development. But, does that mean he/she needs to move back to India? I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s necessary, but it will probably help to live in the environment you are trying to improve.</p>
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